Brightraven: July 9, 2019, 3:07pm
Perhaps this question has been raised and answered already (sorry if so, but I couldn’t find it when I searched)…
But why only 20 minutes insertion time? According to some of my teachers, the Ling Shu states that it takes 28.8
minutes for there to be a whole circulation of qi and blood throughout the body, and that rounding it up to a 30
minute treatment is the appropriate amount of time (with others saying that going beyond this time up to 45-60
minutes is even better to assist in chronic or severe issues). Is this a strict rule in Saam to stick with 20 minutes?
I’ve given some of my patients up to an hour in the treatment room with other styles, and am wary of them feeling
short-changed if they only have 20 minutes…would it back-fire if I left the needles in for longer? Many thanks for
insights…
Taran: July 9, 2019, 5:57pm
If I understand Toby correctly, his teacher said: “20 – 25 minutes, a little longer is OK.” So, 20 minutes is not a
strict rule, but a guideline.
KristinWisgirda: July 9, 2019, 6:36pm
Taran:
his teacher said: “20 – 25 minutes, a little longer is OK.”
This is my understanding as well.
In clinic, different patients can have different needs requiring you to gauge individual response. Toby has talked
about treating infants with in and out needling and leaving needles in for an hour for a patient with a strong
constitution and strong pathology. For the later case, the patient’s body was giving a strong indicator that more
needle time was needed.
michaelmax: July 10, 2019, 2:42pm
I’ll chime in with what the others have said. 20-25 minutes, a little longer is ok. I’d be wary to going much over 30
minutes. The reason being these treatments are laser focused and powerful.26/01/2024, 11:48Why only 20 minutes? – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/why-only-20-minutes/362/print2/2
Most other acupuncture tends to be more harmonizing. This is the opposite of harmonizing. So in my experience
you can run the risk of over treatment.
Be attentive to markers like the pulse and anything else you like to use to see how patients are responding. This is
helpful in making sure the treatment is correct, and later you can check these markers after 20-25 minutes and if
you to leave patients longer, then check those markers again before you remove the needles.
As to “patients feeling cheated”
I think we as practitioners make the mistake of thinking we have to give our patients a certain amount of time for
them and us to feel like there is value.
really, the value is they get better. And if you can help them in a big way in 20 minutes instead of 60, then everyone
wins.
George_Mandler: July 16, 2019, 11:12am
I assume when getting treated most of us have that feeling of treatment where it feels good – relaxing – we can feel
movement/calming with something happening. And then voila! we have a “done” feeling. Kind of like “I woke
up”. At least that is how I experience treatments, especially SAAM.
i give my patients a bell and tell them to ring it when they feel “done or cannot relax any longer”. (I also tell them
to ring if they feel too cold/hot, have to urinate or in general are not comfortable or cannot relax).
Some people do not understand or are not yet in their body, so do grasp the ‘done’ feeling, but for the majority
(>51%) I’d say it works well.
I have 3 rooms and book on half hour so there is no rush in/out. Therefore I let them dictate the length of time and
hopefully they are able to tune into their own body cues,. I have done 55 minute sessions for non bell ringers with
good outcomes.
chels: July 19, 2019, 6:08pm
The bell ringing suggestion is great, thank you for that. I’ve noticed when treating myself with Sa’am, I feel that
distinct “wake-up” feeling as well, and it usually occurs at 20 minutes or so. I am sometimes surprised to see that it
has not been longer, as I feel very refreshed!