adambroder: September 1, 2021, 7:07pm
…what do you do?
I have a patient with a few areas of pain plus a history of injuries and surgeries. LI+ for his first tx didn’t really do
much. I tried doing SI+ but SI3 and UB66 were too painful for him so I took them out and modified with moxa,
three times at SI3 and two at UB66. SI2 and GB41 remained in place for the duration of the treatment.
I also had a patient request no needles in the feet recently. Instead of acupuncture I stimulated the four points with
moxa. I can’t recall the channel but I did the same thing, three times for the points needing supplementation and
two times for the ones needing draining.
adambroder: September 1, 2021, 7:13pm
I should also add that I just ran out of my 0.25 Seirins that I normally use so instead I’m using 0.35 Dong Bang
needles. I tend not to use these on patients and when I’ve used them on myself they can be quite strong.
George_Mandler #3September 5, 2021, 2:16pm
HI Adam,
I do not have much experience not using the typical thicker needles (.40), except one time when I just held
SI3/GB41 that immediately released menstrual cramps. I have referred several sensitive patients to a Japanese
acupuncturist across the street from me. Your question is one I have as well.
amyjenner: September 9, 2021, 1:28am
I generally try to do treatments without jing points if I can justify it for the first couple of session in someone who
is afraid. It helps build trust and rapport. Then I can usually move on to the jing points. if they won’t have it, I just
say, “this is what I do but I am happy to refer”. I’ve never had anyone, except a 6 yr old, say they wouldn’t come
back because of the needling. I joke around and say “if you can count to 4, you can get through it”, or, “I promise
you, this is way worse to do to yourself”. If the needles don’t calm down in 30 seconds or so, I will pull them back
imperceptivity and it quiets them. I don’t offer alternatives because the results are so fantastic with this method that
I always have a waiting list. I also have learned over the years that if I let the patient direct their treatment, it just
becomes a stressful, confused mess and I lose the ability to really help them if they won’t let me use my tools. I
have learned that this is the type of patient I dread when I see them on the schedule because not being allowed to
use my tools knocks me off my center. That doesn’t make sense… You know, if you hire someone to put a new
roof on your house, do you tell them they can’t use a hammer because you don’t like the noise? As @sweiz says,08/01/2024, 13:57When needle sensation is too much – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/when-needle-sensation-is-too-much/1632/print2/2
your practice is for you, it is a vehicle for you to live fully into your blueprint for this lifetime. I’m not trying to
toot my own horn, just to say trust in your method and trust in yourself and that will be confidence will conveyed
to your patient. When they feel your confidence, they will tolerate the temporary discomfort for the result.
adambroder: September 9, 2021, 8:04pm
I completely agree with regard to Sharon’s teachings and aligning my practice for myself first and foremost. I’ve
thought a lot and had conversations with others about offering options with my acupuncture but the conclusion I’ve
come to is that that won’t work for me. It’s almost like saying “would you like me to do the absolute best I can for
you today, or some watered-down version that will probably end up being a waste of time for both of us?” I like the
idea of avoiding jing-wells, though personally I think the ying-springs are often worse and some shu-streams aren’t
so great either (SP3, and also SI3 which caused a lot of pain for the patient in question). I’m just looking for advice
and guidance around what to do in the moment when the needles are not settling down.
amyjenner: September 10, 2021, 11:06am
try pulling them back almost energetically…when I do it, the skin hardly moves but it seems to relieve the
discomfort for some reason.
adambroder: September 10, 2021, 5:22pm
I like that you said this, because I’ve done this and it surprises me how well it works. Must be the power of
suggestion. With the patient I originally posted about, the pain was intense and nothing was helping.