Daniel: August 22, 2019, 1:34am
I know I have seen bits of these on various threads here but I just tried for half an hour to find them and I couldn’t.
Can someone – well, maybe Kristin or Michael or Sharon? – post here a table or list of the channels as they are
positioned in Sa’Am relative to . . . .
heating to cooling
moistening to drying
ascending to descending
and certainly any other relevant or important spectra of qualities . . . .
and if this has already been asked and done on another thread – my apologies.
please provide the link.
Thanks so much!!!
Ryan_Gallagher: August 22, 2019, 2:06am
Here are a few that I’ve gathered:
Warming (arrows pointing toward most warming)
GB (minimal) ? SP (slightly) ? SJ ? HT
Cooling (toward most cooling)
PC (minimal) ? LI (sl) ? LR ? BL
Mixed hot/cold: SI/KD
Neutral: LU/ST
Moistening (toward most)
LR (minimal) ? LU/ST (depending on whether px needs exterior or interior fluids) ? KD/SI ? BL/SP
(depending on whether px needs v cold or sl warm fluids)
Drying (toward most)
SJ (minimal) ? PC ? GB ? HT ? LI
Outward (toward most)25/01/2024, 12:16Thermal, Moisture and Movement Scales . . – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/thermal-moisture-and-movement-scales/525/print2/5
HT ? SJ ? GB
Inward (toward most)
BL ? LR ? PC
Upward
LU (and sl downward), GB
Downward
ST
Daniel: August 22, 2019, 11:09am
Thanks so much Ryan for taking the time to share that – its exactly the kind of thing I am looking for.
Daniel: August 22, 2019, 8:23pm
Oh – from the last class, we can add . . .
Anything Hyper – suspect Heart Excess
Anything Hypo – suspect Urinary Bladder Excess
sweiz: August 23, 2019, 11:00am
Hi Daniel,
There is also Maria’s work and Kristin’s comments here:
Degrees of heat and moisture
Thanks @mariamorris for this discussion. This is a really helpful exercise. Some refinements: GB is on the
warmish but its nature isn’t warming because it is so windy and outward oriented. Toby emphasizes that LI is
only slightly cool and that Spleen is only slightly warm. Liver is cool, dense and only very, very slightly moist.
This refinement came from the St Louis class. On the heat scale, St/Lung and SI/K both belong right in the
middle. St/Lung are in the middle because their function …25/01/2024, 12:16Thermal, Moisture and Movement Scales . . – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/thermal-moisture-and-movement-scales/525/print3/5
sweiz: August 23, 2019, 11:01am
Also Convex = GB Excess
Concave = PC Excess
sweiz #7August 23, 2019, 11:21am
I made this sheet with what we have so far. I used Kristin’s elaborations on Maria’s notes and added more recent
ones. I’d love if Kristin or Toby or anyone could correct or add your thoughts.
Saam Channel Characteristics
cevans: August 23, 2019, 12:03pm
Thanks Sharon, the chart is very helpful as are the clinical insights you offer.
Daniel: August 23, 2019, 12:41pm
This is great – thanks Sharon and Ryan! and yes, would be superb if Kristin or Toby or anyone could add any
refinements they see fit.
One question I have, if the channel pairings are indeed such inextricably interwoven sides of the same coin . . . then
just as Stomach is descending and Lung is ascending, since GB is ascending (and we see it all the time manifesting
as tight raised shoulders, hot headedness, upward and outward rage, migraines, etc etc etc . . . then is not PC by
implication, descending? Or is the GB-PC dynamic much more of an outward-inward thing than an upward-
downward thing? (although certainly it seems to me in reality, the outward of GB is very often also of an upward
nature). Thoughts?
Daniel: August 25, 2019, 12:01am
Looking over everything, I guess I was mistaken in thinking GB has an upward dynamic in this system. The GB –
PC pairing is really clearly an outward – inward dynamic. It’s so easy to confuse Up with Out and Down with In
when they are in fact, different!25/01/2024, 12:16Thermal, Moisture and Movement Scales . . – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/thermal-moisture-and-movement-scales/525/print4/5
KristinWisgirda: September 3, 2019, 6:45pm
Ryan_Gallagher:
Drying (toward most)
SJ (minimal) ? PC ? GB ? HT ? LI
Outward (toward most)
HT ? SJ ? GB
Inward (toward most)
BL ? LR ? PC
Some refinements from my perspective:
It isn’t useful to think about P or GB as drying. Moist/dry just isn’t part of their profile. SJ being slightly dry makes
it more dry than either P/GB, but dryness for sure isn’t the most important part of the SJ profile.
With your outward progression it would be more helpful to frame it as what is going outward:
GB outward activity
SJ outward focus and attention
H outward love
GB/SJ/H- one doesn’t function essentially more outward than the other. This is different than the listing channels
from hottest to coldest where there is clearly a progression. Though for some channels temperature really just isn’t
relevant.
I would present your inner progression differently as well. It is more helpful to think of UB (and Kidney) as
consolidating. P isn’t more inward than Liver. They are inward in different ways: P with grounded intelligence,
Liver with physically dense dark shielding.
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Ryan_Gallagher: September 3, 2019, 6:54pm
Thank you! Very helpful.
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KristinWisgirda: September 3, 2019, 8:01pm
Hi Sharon,25/01/2024, 12:16Thermal, Moisture and Movement Scales . . – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/thermal-moisture-and-movement-scales/525/print5/5
My understanding leads me to suggest a few refinements of your cheat sheet. These comments reflect what I find
clinically useful.
Double fire Heart can be used to dry off damp conditions so it is the second most drying after LI.
In my thinking on hot/cold, I want to put SI/K after Heart and SJ for warming. Even though they are mixed
water+fire, they can definitely be used to warm in their particular ways. So they are more warming than Lung/St
(which are neutral) and more functionally warming than GB which is somewhat warm but dispersing. I’m not sure
where to put them on the scale in relation to Spleen which is somewhat warm.
Liver is only slightly moist and not as moistening as K/SI/Lung/St. This has been a point of confusion because
Toby has used the word “moist” and the image of the Hoh rainforest in his presentation but clinically he isn’t using
Liver+ to moisten. The Liver definitely supplements blood and, thereby, makes the body more dense and
substantial.
When considering a Liver + treatment, I ask if the patient needs to more darkness, density and structure like a
strong, sturdy tree. Maybe that healthy tree produces a cool fog but the fog isn’t wet, per se.
Here is a repeat of what I wrote to Ryan above about a few more points:
KristinWisgirda:
It isn’t useful to think about P or GB as drying. Moist/dry just isn’t part of their profile. SJ being slightly dry
makes it more dry than either P/GB, but dryness for sure isn’t the most important part of the SJ profile.
With your outward progression it would be more helpful to frame it as what is going outward:
GB outward activity
SJ outward focus and attention
H outward love
GB/SJ/H- one doesn’t function essentially more outward than the other. This is different than the listing
channels from hottest to coldest where there is clearly a progression. Though for some channels temperature
really just isn’t relevant.
I would present your inner progression differently as well. It is more helpful to think of UB (and Kidney) as
consolidating. P isn’t more inward than Liver. They are inward in different ways: P with grounded intelligence,
Liver with physically dense dark shielding.