Daniel: June 3, 2020, 2:15am
Would you consider a very inflated chest body type on its own to be a big weighting factor towards Lung Excess in
a patient (if there are no other particularly strong Lung Excess signs that you can see or find but the chest inflation
is really very pronounced)?
St excess with puffed out LU 10?
KristinWisgirda: June 3, 2020, 3:08pm
All of the archetypal presentations in the class PowerPoint are gems from Toby’s teacher, including inflated chest
under Lung excess. The gems have more clinical weight.
This reminds me of an asthmatic patient who is overall a medium framed woman but her rib cage is proportionally
much larger than her hips. She has many other Lung excess indicators and she responds so well to St+ It is worth
learning to notice inflated chests on smaller people. They don’t have to be big guys to have big chests.
Daniel: June 4, 2020, 2:31am
yes, I have a 50 year old woman coming now – for shoulder pain – and her chest is very inflated – much larger in
proportion to her hips and legs. Her pain was very bad so I have her two supplement Small Intestine treatments
which helped a LOT (also took away her hot flashes) . . . . but this weekend she torqued her shoulder and its
hurting again so today, I tried a supplement ST treatment – she went into a deep sleep. We shall see. No particular
stand out issues pertaining to ‘money’ per se – she runs her own business – but I suppose I could say, given the
business she is in, that she has managed to be reasonably successful. Its interesting to expand out from ‘just money’
to ‘resources’. Anyway, her inflated chest on its own really stands out.
Adina_Kletzel: June 5, 2020, 4:57am
For a woman how do you see an inflated chest? Are you referring to very large breasts? Can you give a physical
description of what you are seeing as an inflated chest?
KristinWisgirda: June 5, 2020, 12:17pm
23/01/2024, 12:08The Exclusive Significance of Inflated Chest . . – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/the-exclusive-significance-of-inflated-chest/1071/print2/3
The gem for Lung excess is that the “chest is inflated”. The gem for St excess is “sunken chest.” There is no
mention of breasts here. Toby’s example of the big chested banker didn’t mention breasts. I think of it as the lungs
inside the chest wall are extra large with Lung excess.
The inflated chest of a Lung excess woman might give her a broad shouldered “V” shaped look, as her chest could
be wider than her hips. But she could also be more apple shaped with a wide rib cage being matched by wide hips.
There is a such a wide possibility of combination of features. Start looking at chest wall sizes and it will be
obvious.
Another useful gem is the dense/light body quality of Liver/SJ. I suspect it is overlooked because few people
mention it in case studies on this forum One of my patients is a short woman who looks medium thin but has
incredibly dense flesh. Making the mistake of supplementing Liver on her taught me to attend more closely to this
dense/light quality.
You can’t dismiss the dense/light quality of the body as being due to exercise. The above patient admits to never
exercising and works a desk job. I have other patients who weight train regularly but their bodies stay light and
more open feeling. I often recommend that my SJ excess patients include some weight training to build up their
physical shield. I know it helps me.
Daniel: June 5, 2020, 12:38pm
Yes, thanks Kristin . . . this patient I am referring to here – it has nothing to do with her breasts . . . its her torso –
her ribcage relative to her hips, legs, height, overall body . . . is definitely large.
Oh – great – thanks for the dense – light body type and the Liver/SJ. You’re, I don’t think about that.
So this is good because we have body types . . .
Lung – Stomach . . . . inflated versus sunken chest
Liver – SJ . . . . dense versus light
Spleen – Large Intestine . . . fatty flesh versus no fatty flesh
by ‘dense flesh’, as I understand it . . . there is ‘spleen flesh’ that is more about fat beneath the skin. ‘Liver flesh’ is
more about tendons and ligaments and not fatty flesh. Is that how you see it?
Yes, I can relate to those patients who don’t work out at all, pretty sedentary and their bodies just look like they
work out!
Can you differentiate (is it always obvious) between the dense flesh type of Liver and the body type of Large
Intestine . . . I guess they are more ‘fleshless’ . . . like skin draped over bones ?
KristinWisgirda: June 5, 2020, 1:26pm
23/01/2024, 12:08The Exclusive Significance of Inflated Chest . . – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/the-exclusive-significance-of-inflated-chest/1071/print3/3
Daniel:
So this is good because we have body types . . .
We can also include:
GB/P: convex/concave
K/SI: symmetrical/asymmetrical
I can’t think of anything for H/UB that you would get visually from morphology.
For Liver versus Spleen flesh, I compare the qualities of firm dense wood to a squishy sodden bog which is much
looser than wood but not light like SJ. I tune into the overall quality rather than differentiate between subcutaneous
fat, muscle and tendons/ligaments. Maybe you could check out the big easily palpated tendons at the elbow and
knee.
You can also see dense versus light in movement quality. T demonstrates this in class. Liver is heavy and plodding.
SJ floats a bit, is airier in movement.
Daniel:
Can you differentiate (is it always obvious) between the dense flesh type of Liver and the body type of Large
Intestine . . . I guess they are more ‘fleshless’ . . . like skin draped over bones ?
I have an orthorexic patient who is LI excess emaciated and dense Liver excess. Then there are the obese people
who move like they are as light as a feather. So many possible combinations for this human existence!
Daniel: June 5, 2020, 3:58pm
Excellent – thank you Kristin!
(I hate this site feature that your post must be long!)