KristinWisgirda: April 19, 2020, 10:26pm
Yesterday’s Crowdcast helped deepen my understanding of using P+ to oxygenate the chest. Previously, I used this
teaching but without solidly integrating it into my understanding of the GB/P dynamic. Toby might have used the
word “allow” in describing how P+ helps the body take in oxygen. Up and out GB excess doesn’t “allow” enough
down and in for the body to breathe, or be breathed. Hence breathlessness. Though down and in is most descriptive
of the P action, passively allowing oneself to be acted upon by outside forces speaks to the P as well.
Daniel: April 19, 2020, 10:31pm
yeah, that helped me too! I always felt unsure about ‘insomnia’ and ‘shortness of breath’ as the hallmark GB
Excess symptoms
Daniel: April 19, 2020, 10:32pm
although interestingly, via several Japanese palpatory understandings, I have worked for a very long time with a
perspective that associates the PC channel with the diaphragm and hence breathing.
KristinWisgirda: April 20, 2020, 1:40pm
Now what I don’t understand is how Toby’s teacher knew to treat P+ for everyone in the high altitude location.
What about high altitude creates a relative GB excess? What would make the body want to push out, or inhibit
drawing in and down, when there is low oxygen in the atmosphere?
It would be easier to understand in a situation of pandemonium.
Daniel: April 20, 2020, 2:59pm
maybe the idea that to get to that high altitude, it was in effect such a dramatic exercise of literally pushing oneself
up and out that a drawing in was the much needed compensation.
(I must say, and I have been meaning to post about this topic in general – one of the ongoing challenges I routinely
have with Sa’Am is deciding in many cases precisely which component of a counterbalancing pair needs
supplementation and which component is excess – I find I keep getting stuck conceptually – for all of the pairs – on12/01/2024, 12:25Pericardium to oxygenate – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/pericardium-to-oxygenate/987/print2/3
that piece and often feel unclear on which clinical choice to make for the patient . . . . . .for example . . . is their
‘attraction to the dark’ to be alleviated by supplementing dark so they don’t need it so much or is their ‘attraction to
the dark’ alleviated by supplementing light so its not something they need to run away from. It gets very confusing
at times, sometimes to the point of being clinically debilitating!
KristinWisgirda: April 20, 2020, 5:38pm
Daniel:
maybe the idea that to get to that high altitude, it was in effect such a dramatic exercise of literally pushing
oneself up and out that a drawing in was the much needed compensation.
My thinking started in a similar way: where is there a relative pushing down or in that would require a push back
from the GB, even for the general population? The barometric pressure is low at high altitude, so it has to be
something else. Altitude sickness impacts many people regardless of how they reached the altitude.
Besides shortness of breath other symptoms include fatigue, headache, dizziness, poor appetite, nausea, vomiting.
In extremes there are symptoms attributed to more severe cerebral edema such as confusion, emotional extremes
and coma. I’ve read that mechanism of altitude sickness isn’t well understood. One theory is that the low oxygen
concentration of the air can trigger blood vessels in the lungs to constrict, causing a higher pressure in the lungs’
arteries. Symptoms can also be attributed to varying degrees of pulmonary edema and cerebral edema.
Constriction of the vessels and the pressure on structures caused by edema could be enough pressure for an even
relatively normal GB to want to push back against, creating a vicious cycle. An overzealous physiological response
becoming pathological ???
KristinWisgirda: April 22, 2020, 2:13pm
Daniel:
I routinely have with Sa’Am is deciding in many cases precisely which component of a counterbalancing pair
needs supplementation and which component is excess – I find I keep getting stuck conceptually – for all of the
pairs – on that piece and often feel unclear on which clinical choice to make for the patient . . . . . .for example .
. . is their ‘attraction to the dark’ to be alleviated by supplementing dark so they don’t need it so much or is
their ‘attraction to the dark’ alleviated by supplementing light so its not something they need to run away from.
It gets very confusing at times, sometimes to the point of being clinically debilitating!
Clinic is HARD!!! I have struggled with similar conundrums, many times. It comes down to asking what is really
nourishing and beneficial to the patient. What will really make them feel better? What is really true for this patient?
If you can’t make sense of it intellectually, it helps to refer back to your felt sense of relating that channel quality to
this patient, as we have mentioned times before.12/01/2024, 12:25Pericardium to oxygenate – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/pericardium-to-oxygenate/987/print3/3
Some patients engage in certain behaviors in an attempt to counterbalance tendencies in themselves. But they do it
in such a way that is really not effective. It is almost like they lack the capacity for receiving that quality.
I have a patient who seems very P excess- super intellectual, never impulsive, denies being angry and I believe her.
At the same time she complains of constant internal agitation and reactively rejects anybody or anything getting
close to her. She is constantly saying No and pushing back against the world, albeit quietly and politely. She is also
a champion activist who finds homes for fearful shelter dogs. Double P+ really helped her, once I got around to
seeing what was going on and trying other strategies.
cassiopeia: August 22, 2020, 1:51am
I’m poking around trying to under pericardium better, and saw this post. I feel the P+ for high altitude is fairly
straightforward: at lower barometric pressure, the regular pressure of the body more easily pushes outward. Gases
in the blood are would have higher tendency to come out of solution at lower pressure (like opening a soda can). so
having P+ help the body stabilize inward seems a brilliant idea.