Adina_Kletzel: August 17, 2021, 8:19pm
HI,
I have a 43 year old female client with the following SJ/Liv breakdown:
SJ excess: strongly feels emotions and moods of others 8+, self critical 8+, anger directed at self 7+, controlling
8+, focused on external details 7+, likes order and neatness 8+ bright eyes 1+, polite 5+, reddish cheeks 3+
Liv Excess: often feels down and dark 7+, feels heavy 5+, dense flesh 2+, feels pulled inward 5+, prefers sunlight
to forest 6+, darker complexion 2+
I did Liv+ because she felt like her environment was just getting to her. She felt irritated by her family members
and that she was feeling everything around her too strongly. She was also feeling like she was being very hard on
herself and was criticizing herself all the time. She said she felt like she just needed to go and hide and be by
herself for a while so she could just recollect herself.
She settled on the table and her initial reaction to Liv+ was a strong sense of relief, like a dam had been unblocked,
and that her energy had been unblocked. She also felt less reactive to those around her – that others weren t
annoying her as much. But she also felt that for the first two days she had trouble taking deep breaths and that her
digestion got a bit more sluggish. She also got big and painful hemorrhoids and felt vaginal dryness and burning.
On the third day after Liv + she woke up feeling dark and heavy with a lot of negative thoughts. She also felt that
she had more frequent urination.
A couple of questions:
1. How could a treatment provide such a clear initial positive reaction and then turn sour?
2. How could Liv+ cause vaginal dryness and more frequent urination?
3. Is this a clear adverse reaction requiring SJ+ or could it be that Liv+ alone was too heavy for her but that Liv
and SI would work fine? She does have some clear SJ excess attributes.
4. Has anyone else seen LIv+ cause hemorrhoids?
George_Mandler: August 22, 2021, 3:10pm
I have a couple of questions here.
I see some SJ excess some LR excess signs. These seem pretty close here so not sure I would have supplemented
LR+ on her.
Is her main complaint she is feeling irritated?
How often does she have symptoms of taking a deep breath, sluggish digestion, hemorrhoids, and vaginal
dryness/burning?08/01/2024, 13:58Liv + caused hemorrhoids – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/liv-caused-hemorrhoids/1611/print2/2
Her waking up feeling dark and negative thoughts I am going to bet is not new given your initial paragraph of
description. So do we know it is the treatment?
Adina_Kletzel:
How could Liv+ cause vaginal dryness and more frequent urination?
We can throw out some intellectual theories of cool consolidation leading to stagnation blocking proper fluid
physiology not reaching the liver channel (vaginal area).
Adina_Kletzel:
Is this a clear adverse reaction requiring SJ+ or could it be that Liv+ alone was too heavy for her but that Liv
and SI would work fine? She does have some clear SJ excess attributes.
I would have left LR/SJ dynamic alone and looked elsewhere.
Adina_Kletzel:
Has anyone else seen LIv+ cause hemorrhoids?
I have not. Has she ever had hemorrhoids before?
If these were all new symptoms then that was one powerful mistreatment that developed. Given the time I d look
elsewhere – unless you see that her SJ excess qualities are severely diminished.