erin: May 9, 2023, 9:47pm
Hello! I was hoping to get some help with a case I have:
37 Y/O female, large body type, robust, loud booming voice, red complexion
CC: hives that occur with exposure to cold, since 15 y/o
she is always really hot +8, and sweats a lot +8, feet are her ‘thermostat’ and can cool her body by taking off shoes,
socks and cooling feet.
If feet get cold, they get itchy, red, and when walking it feels like there are marbles in her feet.
When a cool breeze hits her skin she instantly breaks out in hives. She still feels hot, but the surface cold causes
hives and she needs to cover up.
feels easily ‘stuffy’ in rooms, likes to keep the window open even in winter.
Hives look like chicken pox, kidney bean or up to a large coin (toonie if you are Canadian!) with a little red dot.
She is a grade 2 teacher and says she loves her kids, and how they are always physical, touching her. She is a
touchy person, and loves hugs and to have a hand on a friend when they are in conversation.
She is impulsive, and emotional – lots of highs and lows. Had a dark depression during covid when she wasn’t able
to be physical with people, and is now on an SSRI.
Low energy for the last 2 yrs, could ‘live on the couch’
Grinds her teeth, tension HA’s b/w cold
GI – Appetite is good (too good according to her) bloated easily, ww spicy foods, epigastric area. Smelly and
profuse gas.
BM 1-2x/day (can get constipated)
Menses: copper IUD – 8 yrs, cramping w/ IUD for first 3 days – manageable, large clots
Thirsty, craves cold water
Urine – sl smell- like coffee
Pain – constant low grade LBP
Lung:
LI:
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Spleen: excess flesh.
Heart: love for others, red complexion, physical touch, extreme heat
SI: menstrual pain, clots
Bladder: hives ww cold?
Kidney:
GB: loud booming voice, large ribcage, rapidly changing emotions, quick to make decisions
PC
SJ
Liver
first visit UB+
She noticed feeling cooler while on the table. She felt good.
I also gave her gui zhi ma huang ge ban tang
On our second visit, she wasn’t sure if there was much change. She continued taking her antihistamines as
prevention. Still had hives, but maybe recovery was a bit quicker/easier.
Second tx: PC+
She said that she didn’t settle as well this time, and didn’t have the same cooling effect as she did with BL+
I didn’t want to do UB+ a second time even though she is clearly very HT excess, because it didn’t seem like I had
the dramatic results I was looking for. Also, I figured that a PC+ would have a positive effect but it seemed to fall
flat. I see her again in a week but am hoping to give her some more herbs in the next day or two.
I would love some advice to SAAM and herbs if that is appropriate (not a herb forum I know!)
George_Mandler: May 10, 2023, 4:47pm
Hi Erin
Sorry for the delay, I assume you’ve seen her for the third time already.
Two things come to mind off the bat. Sometimes a treatment can be right for a person, but they need a different
input first. That then sets up the treatment that seems obvious. I am attempting to flush this out for myself, but it is
definitely a phenomena I have experienced. In the most recent WPC class Toby presented a great case as well that
had a “need to do B before A” case.
She does appear to have Heart and GB excess from your writeup so we would have expected more from it. So
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LI+ supplementation will bring some cooling. It sounds like from her body type it can fit. I assume she doesn’t
crave sweets since you didn’t mention it, but if she does that seems safe from what you present.
I would also think of the hives as wind. She gets painful periods – perhaps towards her menstrual bleed
supplementing SI+ would be good.
In addition constant LBP – SI/LI supplementation combo can be good.
As for herbs tongue and pulse would be helpful. (In addition a rapid thin pulse for me gives weight to a BL+
supplementation as well) From your write up the MHGBT seems to fit well, but also didn’t give results. FWIW I
hardly ever give herbs in the first couple of Sa’am treatments as I want to see what the energetic medicine can do
alone – I also do not want to conflate treatments as what it the Sa’am or herbs?
Keep us posted.
erin: May 11, 2023, 2:27pm
Thanks George, this is very helpful! I will see her again next week and will look at both of those options. I will
keep you posted!
erin: May 16, 2023, 4:21pm
I saw her again yesterday.
She had no hives this past week, (yay!) but also described her week as terrible. She felt nauseous in the middle of
the night the day after our treatment, woke up around 1:30 and puked. Felt nauseous the entire next day and again
puked in the middle of the night the following night. She was very irritable for the first part of the week. By the
weekend she felt better, no more nausea and mood was better.
I am wondering if this might have been a healing crisis? Or perhaps a stomach bug?? She seems to think it was not
a stomach bug.
She is 1 week away from her period, and her low back pain was worse so I did SI+ this time.
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George_Mandler: May 17, 2023, 10:13pm
erin:
She felt nauseous in the middle of the night the day after our treatment,
this was from a PC+ supplementation? She felt nauseous 36 hours after the treatment?
erin #6May 18, 2023, 2:19am
Yes, I did PC+ and the next day (24 hrs later) she felt nauseous, then puked that night (36 hrs later) and nauseaus
the next day (48 hrs), and puked again the following evening (60 hrs).
George_Mandler: May 19, 2023, 4:26pm
Oh my can you see signs of PC excess in her? So this was the second time you supplemented PC+ and the first
time was an ‘eh’. There must be hidden PC excess underneath that loud voice and other GB excess signs.
Also confirming there was no diarrhea/loose stools with it that may suggest a coincidental GI virus?
Did you do the opposite side GB+ supplementation?
erin: May 19, 2023, 4:52pm
Hi George,
First visit UB+ It was a ‘meh’ but she was instantly cooler on the table.
second visit PC+ she didn’t settle on the table as much as she did with UB+. That week she reported feeling terrible
– grumpy, and nauseous and vomited in the middle of the night 2x. But NO HIVES! This is extremely notable as
she has been getting hives daily for years.
Third visit i did SI+. She said she felt cold during the treatment but otherwise settled. I will see her again on
Monday.
Head scratcher for sure!
George_Mandler: May 22, 2023, 10:29am
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erin:
second visit PC+ she didn’t settle on the table as much as she did with UB+. That week she reported feeling
terrible – grumpy, and nauseous and vomited in the middle of the night 2x. But NO HIVES! This is extremely
notable as she has been getting hives daily for years.
When did her hives come back?