Daniel: January 28, 2021, 1:01am
Today, I had a patient with whom I was not making much progress on their main symptom after three sessions. The
Liver-SanJiao axis was presenting to me in a fairly confused way, yet I felt it was where I needed to focus today.
What came to mind was to ask the patient if they liked Japanese culture – all the exquisite detail . . . but I felt that
was just too leading a question . . so I opened it up with simply asking them what cultures in the world she was
most attracted to . . . . she was very quick to give me a comprehensive answer . . . . she likes to go to ‘messy’,
‘developing’ countries where its ‘real’ – India, Cambodia, to walk the streets right in the mess of it all, and to stay at
the hostel (she is in her late 50’s) – and its hard for her because her husband wants to go to Italy or Japan and stay
in the finest hotels. So, as far as inquiring into shielding . . . . it seems to me her husband is ‘poorly shielded’ so he
likes to travel and experience cultures where he can be shielded in comfort while she is likely very well shielded so
she is fine with being right there on the streets in the mess of messy cultures. Does that make sense? Her eyes
definitely do not have much sparkle. I would not call her rude or oblivious. She is VERY PC excess and a GB+
treatment the week before was felt by her as remarkable calming and destressing – it just did nothing for the main
complaint. Today, I did a TW+ treatment to open up that shielding (I was a little nervous because she often has a
malar flush I would associate with TW XS) – I stayed with her a long time – and she really did settle nicely, felt a
wonderful tingling spread through her entire body and her site of pain (left foot medial dorsum) got a lot better.
And when she got off the table, her eyes most certainly seemed – maybe not sparkly – but definitely brighter and
lighter. What do you think of my inquiry and my interpretation?
KristinWisgirda: January 28, 2021, 1:36am
Daniel:
What do you think of my inquiry and my interpretation?
For someone with Liver excess, she seemed very open and responsive to your inquiry. The stimulation of
messiness is her version of SJ sparkles. Add “How much stimulation can this person take?” to the list of questions
about Liver/SJ.
What matters is that her body loved the results! Clinic can be so fun.
Daniel: January 28, 2021, 1:49am
LOL – hmmmm, ok, so the angle I took was that she is so well shielded (Liver XS) that she can ‘handle’ messy
chaotic culture and likes to be right in the thick of it while the angle you are taking is that the stimulation of being
in the thick of chaotic mess is SJ XS??? Man o man, my brain hurts now09/01/2024, 11:59Deep Inquiry with a Patient into Liver-Sanjiao – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/deep-inquiry-with-a-patient-into-liver-sanjiao/1482/print2/4
I would think we’d be attracted to that which counterbalances our XS
KristinWisgirda #4January 28, 2021, 1:51am
Chaotic culture is her version of silver light up sneakers. Not only can she handle the chaos, she seeks it out to
balance out her dark density when given the chance.
We are on the same page.
Daniel: January 28, 2021, 1:53am
ah ok!!! right – yes, we are on the same page – I understand what you are saying now Kristin.
its interesting, her main complaint is a very bizarre nerve pain on left food from bit toe up to the ankle – could be
Liver and could be Spleen channels. it hurts so much I just barely touch it and it hurts – like the nerves are right at
the surface. today for the first time, when I put the TW+ treatment in on the right, and then repalpated her painful
area, it no longer hurt – within minutes of the treatment being in
Daniel: January 28, 2021, 1:55am
she is a great example of how ‘density’ does NOT have to be ‘heavy’ or ‘weight’ – she is very thin and yet, you can
tell she appears dense – and her eyes are quite dark (no sparkle)
Daniel #7January 28, 2021, 1:56am
KristinWisgirda:
she seemed very open and responsive to your inquiry
I think this is her PC XS which I identified last week (and above) – she finds this all VERY intellectually
fascinating
michaelmax: January 28, 2021, 4:28am
Daniel:09/01/2024, 11:59Deep Inquiry with a Patient into Liver-Sanjiao – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/deep-inquiry-with-a-patient-into-liver-sanjiao/1482/print3/4
. but I felt that was just too leading a question . . so I opened it up with simply asking them what cultures in the
world she was most attracted to
I love that @Daniel! What a great way to ask the question. Invite instead of lead. And you got great information
from it. Well done!
As to her obvious PC+, do remember that is also Jueyin, so if the LV was also excess, we wouldn’t be too
surprised.
Very helpful to use your palpation as well to see how the treatment was affecting the main issue.
Adina_Kletzel: January 28, 2021, 11:19am
That is SUCH a helpful question to zero in on Liv excess – how much stimulation can this person take? I SO
appreciate you pointing this out Daniel and Kristin to phrasing it in such a visually comfortable way.
You have cleared up a lot of on the border-line LIV/SJ patients for me because as you said Daniel many LIv excess
patients are not heavy and dense but do LOVE stimulation and don’t mind mess.
This question -how much stimulation can this person take also helps to make a clearer line between LI excess and
Liv excess in my opinion.
We can look out for the distinction between someone who is busy all the time because he/she is so goal oriented
and needs to be involved in many projects and someone who is out and about and busy because he/she needs the
stimulation to counteract the heaviness and darkness of liver excess.
cassiopeia: February 4, 2021, 2:38am
this is very helpful @Daniel; I have talked myself into thinking that “nervy” or electric sensations are more SJ
excess – because I myself associate those with Light instead of Dense sensations. But you are helping me to see
that it’s not a for-sure diagnostic. thank you for sharing!09/01/2024, 11:59Deep Inquiry with a Patient into Liver-Sanjiao – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/deep-inquiry-with-a-patient-into-liver-sanjiao/1482/print4/4
Daniel: February 4, 2021, 10:32am
Adina_Kletzel:
We can look out for the distinction between someone who is busy all the time because he/she is so goal
oriented and needs to be involved in many projects and someone who is out and about and busy because he/she
needs the stimulation to counteract the heaviness and darkness of liver excess.
This helps articulate this distinction we are all developing together here a LOT Adina. Thank you