amyjenner: November 16, 2020, 3:47pm
This came up as a question in yesterday’s case discussion, and is a question I have pondered. I still don’t get it. I
have it in my notes that if both are deficient then we go do other things and come back to it, but what if both are
excess? Which would be the case in the dark depression SJ type…
George_Mandler: November 16, 2020, 7:33pm
amyjenner:
but what if both are excess?
Maybe give more details on what you see. So you have an extremely depressed withdrawn person who is also
super polite and notices all the details? Or something of the sort?
They both may need tuning but I would definitely choose a different channel to supplement and see what
unwinds/unfolds in the person. Then it likely will become clearer as to what you are really seeing.
KristinWisgirda: November 16, 2020, 8:42pm
amyjenner:
what if both are excess?
If both members of a pair are abundant and balanced with each other then there is nothing to do but look elsewhere.
If both members of a pair are deficient in relationship to the other 10 channels, but even with each other, then
eventually they will need to be toggled if their deficiency is creating symptoms.
With dark SJ excess depression, I would look for other qualities that describe the patient’s experience. Dark can go
hand and hand with cold, exhausted or falling apart.
Adina_Kletzel: November 16, 2020, 9:25pm
My guess would be that even a SJ type who is experiencing a dark depression would probably not be noticing all
the details and be so very polite. A dark depression usually means that one is focused inward on deep dark thoughts12/01/2024, 11:16Dark Depression in SJ type – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/dark-depression-in-sj-type/1399/print2/2
and does not have the energy or the frame of mind to be so very polite. In this case the dark depression would
probably override the SJ excess personality type.
amyjenner: November 17, 2020, 12:29am
The woman I am thinking about is a 30yr old lovely, sensitive, warm friendly, introvert who, just after ovulation
starts to go into a pretty dark funk until the period. I referred her to her GYN who confirmed premenstrual
dysphoric disorder. Ideally, I would treat this woman more frequently to be able to treat the situation as it rolls
through its cycle, as it is, I see her once every 4-5 weeks and have her on herbs in between. So, it isn’t that she is
both simultaneously, but she is a SJ type who has significant depression on a monthly cycle.
George_Mandler: November 17, 2020, 4:19am
amyjenner:
ntrovert who, just after ovulation starts to go into a pretty dark funk until the period.
Would you diagnose her different in the ovulatory vs luteal phase? She sounds like perhaps a SJ excess in the
ovulatory phase, and maybe in the luteal phase if it is depression and a dull affect then.LR excess. Then I could see
perhaps supplementing SJ+ in the luteal phase and if symptoms line up then supplementing LR+ in the ovulatory
phase. I’ve also seen PMDD I would characterize as GB excess with rage/anger where PC+ works well for her, but
one more KD deficiency/SI excess with suicidal dark thoughts.
amyjenner: November 17, 2020, 11:26am
In “talking this through” I came to the same conclusion, that I would need to treat differently at different phases.
Because I only see her once every 4-5 weeks, I was thinking about it more from an underlying constitutional
standpoint, the 2 were getting blended, ie both were present. I will see if I can negotiate a more bi-monthly
treatment schedule with her. It is about the cost of treatment for her, so I can make it a 2 for the price of 1 deal and
see what happens.