haunani: July 12, 2019, 5:09am
I have had this question since school but was always too embarrassed to ask. Now I’m abroad with few mentors in
person. Looking to this community as my new mentors
How do we categorize congestion (due to a cold or flu)?? Is that considered internal wet/dampness or is it
external???
Congestion in the nose, sinus cavity only – external?
Congestion in the lungs with gross mucus-producing cough – internal?
Ready to find clarity. TIA.
KristinWisgirda: July 12, 2019, 8:13pm
haunani:
Ready to find clarity
Me too. Wish there was a source that we could all share on the dividing line between interior and exterior. Toby’s
teacher didn’t give him an answer on this one. In general, Toby considers sinuses and throat exterior and the lung
interior but is clear that there is no hard and fast rule here.
I had a case of strong rhinitis/sinus congestion in a skinny sweaty person where Lung+ made her symptoms very
much worse. St+ was what helped her out. Go figure.
Donley: July 17, 2019, 3:11am
KristinWisgirda:
I had a case of strong rhinitis/sinus congestion in a skinny sweaty person where Lung+ made her symptoms
very much worse. St+ was what helped her out. Go figure
A case of clinic being hard… At least if the patient gets worse, we know what to do!
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chels: July 19, 2019, 1:17am
KristinWisgirda:
I had a case of strong rhinitis/sinus congestion in a skinny sweaty person where Lung+ made her symptoms
very much worse. St+ was what helped her out. Go figure.
I had a similar case as well, Kristin. I ended up not trying LU+ and instead treating ST+ based on the fact that she
was thin, had struggles with money and resources and had a red rash in the ST channel. But I was very tempted to
try LU+. (ST+ helped her congestion clear).
Laura and I were discussing this interior/exterior topic after the class in St. Louis. We mentioned the nose and
congestion, and also the vagina and discharge. Is dampness that exits the body considered to be exterior dampness?
Phlegm that you can expectorate – outer damp? Phlegm that is lodged in the lung or throat – inner damp?
I often think of diarrhea as being reflective of interior dampness, but twice I have helped it with ST+.
Possibly the location of dampness in regards to interior and exterior is somewhat flexible and requires multiple
symptoms to help decipher the answer.
KristinWisgirda: July 19, 2019, 4:57pm
chels:
Is dampness that exits the body considered to be exterior dampness?
This doesn’t fit with Toby’s observation that phlegm originating in the lung organs is interior dampness. Is the
location of the source of damp more important? Something for all of us to observe and report back on.
For my skinny sweaty patient mentioned above, her sinus congestion was worse than her rhinitis and she
responded to ST+ drying her interior and moistening her exterior.
chels: July 19, 2019, 5:29pm
KristinWisgirda:
For my skinny sweaty patient mentioned above, her sinus congestion was worse than her rhinitis and she
responded to ST+ drying her interior and moistening her exterior.
I’m so sorry, Kristin. I got confused about the notation of LU+ ! Probably a common mistake for newbies to the
forum…I’ll pay clearer attention in the future. The patient that I was referencing and helped with sinus congestion
was Stomach excess and I supplemented LU. Which is what you first did with your skinny, sweaty patient… and it25/01/2024, 11:17Congestion due to cold – internal or external damp/wet? – Sa’am Clinical Questions – Qiological Community
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made her worse. Ok, yes, that is something to ponder. Did LU+ make her congestion immediately worse on the
table? Or did she report back later?
KristinWisgirda: July 19, 2019, 7:19pm
Lung+ made her worse on the table so we could fix it right away. Thank goodness!
Jeffrey: October 22, 2019, 3:54pm
@haunani, thanks for bringing this seemingly elusive question up. I’m not sure if it’s fair to say that in saam this
issue is a bit of a “moving target “(?!?) but it sure seems like it. This will be a good one to see more examples of,
and the results of, in all of our clinics. Thanks for the input yall.
Joanne_Tait: November 16, 2019, 5:36am
I’m so curious about the idea of a sinus infection. If there is dampness in the sinuses which I understand could be
seen as either LU or ST excess – if we decide on LU excess and tonify ST –could we make a patient worse by the
descending function of the ST? Are we at all concerned that tonifying the stomach with its descending function
may drive the dampness/phlegm deeper into the body toward the lungs? Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions.