Daniel: January 15, 2020, 3:59am
Lately, I am really getting into observing the patient rising off the table after treatment . . .
does their voice sound more moist?
are their eyes brighter?
do they have more shielding?
are they warmer?
are their heavy-footed deliberate movements lighter?
and its truly amazing how a good, well chosen, well delivered Sa’Am treatment yields remarkably evident real-
time changes.
michaelmax: January 16, 2020, 1:38pm
And since patients lie. It is better to observe than ask!
Daniel #3January 16, 2020, 8:55pm
maybe we can change that a bit Michael? I am not so sure they ‘lie’ (well, I did have one patient once you outright
lied to me) as they are in some grey zone of just not answering clearly, or not being fully connected to what we are
asking or not sharing the same definitions of things or just being confused, or not thinking what we are asking is
important or relevant.
michaelmax: January 16, 2020, 11:18pm
Yes, it is kind of an in joke with us acupuncturists. Really what is true is that patients are unaware of their
experience. For the most part I don’t think people are trying to be deceptive. It is just whole aspects of their
experience of self is not available to the conscious mind.
KristinWisgirda: January 16, 2020, 11:25pm
30/01/2024, 11:56Witnessing Response as the Patient Gets Off the Table – Sa’am Clinical Insights – Qiological Community
https://forum.qiological.com/t/witnessing-response-as-the-patient-gets-off-the-table/836/print2/2
While I get lots of grey zone answers too, my patients certainly lie. More often than not, they are lying to
themselves. Some insist on telling stories to create a facade. Some can’t bear to tell me the truth because of shame.
I have to rely on the wife of one of my patients to tell me how is really doing. The fecal incontinence, the foul gas,
the rages, the history of suicide attempts. When he comes in for treatment, he says he is just coming in for a tune
up because “all is well, life is good.”
michaelmax: January 17, 2020, 2:04pm
Damn… is clinic easy or hard?
I’ve see chart notes from conventional medicine docs and they don’t write things like “Digestion is fine” they write
“patient denies digestive issues.”
Listening to our patients is important. Key really. But I think we have to listen with more than our ears. It’s helpful
to get “the story” but relying our own observations, feelings, palpation, sensing, nagging feeling in the back of the
mind, noting where we just don’t know and something doesn’t make sense, we need all this and more to really
understand where our patient is, and how our treatments are affecting them.