Let’s talk meds

mariayung: November 4, 2023, 1:14am
My 80 y.o. uncle suffered a stroke last year where he lost his ability to talk. Everything else seems to be ok. He is
LU excess with very dry skin but is damp on the inside with a large belly, swollen ankles. Since the stroke, he
walks slowly and seems hypofunctioning overall. He complains of being cold all the time and needs his jacket. His
pulse is slow. His midline is not too hard, but not soft. His skin is warm to the touch and not cold, not hot. His face
can get red and flushed. He responded well to ST+ which brought down some of the swelling. I did H+ about a
month ago. He didn’t settle too well with that treatment. He was making progress with his speech but after that
treatment, the speech regressed a bit. He just wasn’t as willing to try. His face seems to get easily flushed then
before. Since then, his blood pressure has been fluctuating. I am uneasy about the H+ treatment. He is on a lot of
meds to keep his heart rate and blood pressure low. I haven’t reversed the treatment because his night time pulse
rate is too slow.
I can’t remember if it was Kristin or Toby who told me that we should not take into account the meds they are on
and just treat according to the symptoms presented.
Just would love to hear about other folks experience on this.

George_Mandler: November 5, 2023, 10:15am
I find that beta blockers are a wildcard. Is he on a beta blocker? i.e. a metoprolol? Maybe that is slowing his heart
rate. If someone feels better on a beta blocker if there are other signs pointing to HT excess I take supplementing
BL+ into consideration.
(our pharmaceutical focused sick care can definitely throw curveballs at an accurate diagnosis)

mariayung: November 8, 2023, 1:49am
Hi George,
I have to admit I get nervous doing SAAM when I am treating patients on meds which obscure the diagnosis. I
often wonder if by balancing the patient out, the SAAM treatment could mess up the patient’s pseudo pharma
induced “stable” condition, causing more harm than good. What do you think?
George_Mandler #4November 9, 2023, 9:26pm03/01/2024, 12:19Let’s talk meds – Qiological Community
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We know Sa’am is a powerful system where an inappropriate treatment can make someone amazingly ill. But we
can atone for our failed diagnosis with a paired treatment in a timely manner. (pretty incedible!) So whether or not
they are on meds it is all about proper diagnosis and observing. If things are not going as planned or you feel
uneasy take the needles out. (i.e. their medically induced stable state is changing)
If they are on meds I find I need to cut through and think/feel deeper who the person is in front of me at that
moment. It definitely makes it tricky. I am still trying to figure this all out and people on especially neuro/psych
meds are challenging for me and can take several treatments to get somewhere.

mariayung: November 9, 2023, 11:29pm
Do you mind telling me how you handle your patients? Do you call each of them after their treatments to assess
their response to treatment? Do you have a talk before hand? When it goes terribly wrong, it can be frightening to
the patient. How do you handle that? TIA

George_Mandler: November 15, 2023, 1:40am
I don’t handle each patient the same in terms of letting them know that they need to contact me if a treatment has
adverse effects. And there have been a couple of times I did not make it clear and unfortunately they did have an
adverse event. I think some patients can get freaked out if you say something – but I’ll say something along the
lines of “this is a powerful system where I see miracles everyday, but sometimes people can feel off from a
treatment. If that happens you need to let me know ASAP as this system can reverse a treatment.” During and after
a session I think we typically have a good idea if the treatment was the right medicine for the patient – if I am
suspect I always let them know to contact me if they do not feel well.